dyno days

[andrewpgt]

we should setup a dyno days or something like that. I have wanted to do something like that for a while now but don't know where one is, or how much it would cost.

what does everyone else think?

andrew

[GTcruiser33]

spose id go, depending on cost and date and location.

[Redlineracer12]

You'd probably get a better turn out if you waited til nicer weather :) just my opinion, Both RS Motors and Elite have decent dyno's from what i've heard. I've only actually been to RS motors but liked their setup :thup:

[Shrep]

For a dyno day...come see me ;)

www.lse-performance.com (http://www.lse-performance.com)

We'll do $60 per person. Get's you 2-3 runs (depending on time and number of participants). Minimum of 5 cars, max of 15. Plus, should you find while you're on the dyno that you need tuning, you can schedule tuning time w/in 2 weeks of the dyno day, and get 10% off the regular rate.

About our dyno:
I won't open up the "who's dyno is better" ball of wax, I will simply state that our dyno will be (the computer still isn't at the manufacturing facility, but the rest of they dyno is completed and ready for shipment) the highest load capacity Chassis Dyno in North America. What that simply means is that our chassis dynamometer will hold more power than any other model currently available or currently installed within North America to the best of our, and DynoDynamic's knowledge. We can LOAD TUNE 1200whp cars in 2wd configurations. We can graph 2400whp in 2wd configurations. Since we upgraded both retarders to twins (for a total of 4 retarders), we can load tune AWD/4wd vehicles up to 2400AWHP, and graph up to 4800AWHP.

[andrewpgt]

For a dyno day...come see me ;)

www.lse-performance.com (http://www.lse-performance.com)

We'll do $60 per person. Get's you 2-3 runs (depending on time and number of participants). Minimum of 5 cars, max of 15. Plus, should you find while you're on the dyno that you need tuning, you can schedule tuning time w/in 2 weeks of the dyno day, and get 10% off the regular rate.


so when will it be ready? i'm looking at somewhere around march or april. what does everyone else think?

andrew

[Speedy]

I'd want to do mine ... but I'm afraid having to have it towed there, it wouldn't tell much I don't already know :(

[matt]

About our dyno:
I won't open up the "who's dyno is better" ball of wax, I will simply state that our dyno will be (the computer still isn't at the manufacturing facility, but the rest of they dyno is completed and ready for shipment) the highest load capacity Chassis Dyno in North America. What that simply means is that our chassis dynamometer will hold more power than any other model currently available or currently installed within North America to the best of our, and DynoDynamic's knowledge. We can LOAD TUNE 1200whp cars in 2wd configurations. We can graph 2400whp in 2wd configurations. Since we upgraded both retarders to twins (for a total of 4 retarders), we can load tune AWD/4wd vehicles up to 2400AWHP, and graph up to 4800AWHP.



I guess while I was gone you got a sweet ass job. Congrats!

On another note: can it dyno motorcycles?

[Fazda 16]

I'd like to see what the mx could do under the corksport ecu vs. the stock one. see if my money was wasted or not. $60 isnt too bad either.:thup:

[Shrep]

Sounds like a plan. Sorry I was gone most of this week.

Matt...the bike dyno is around the corner at Hyper Sport ;)

Let's get a group together and do this. The dyno is supposed to land at teh end of next week. Dyno days are best set up on the weekends :D

[pcmmelite]

I'd like to get in too but Shrep, you might have to help me tune my ride up a little first so that I can see what my ZE and other mods have done on numbers over stock. It definitely needs some tuning. I know that I'm way less powerful than what I'm supposed to be at considering the mods I've done.

[Shrep]

What do you have for a means of tuning?

[rybs]

Justin,

How close are the rollers inside-inside?

[Slow Mark]

Justin,

How close are the rollers inside-inside?
Close enough to fit a Triumph. :lol:


....But who the hell would waste dyno time on a triumph!!!!

[Slow Mark]

Justin,

How close are the rollers inside-inside?
Close enough to fit a Triumph. :lol:


....But who the hell would waste dyno time on a triumph!!!!


Or something...

[Shrep]

Justin,

How close are the rollers inside-inside?

No, you can't dyno your kart. ;)

[andrewpgt]

OK, so i'm serious now. LETS SET A DATE FOR THIS AND ALL HAVE SOME FUN DOING IT!

Andrew

[Lancimus]

although would be cool to see what the difference is with a lighter flywheel...really not worth it for me...

[GTcruiser33]

although would be cool to see what the difference is with a lighter flywheel...really not worth it for me...

if you drove one with the light flywheel you will change your mind...

[andrewpgt]

OK, I'm going to set a date. I don't have it approved yet but i'm working on it right now. I'm planning for the weekend of the 22nd of april.

andrew

[Lancimus]

if you drove one with the light flywheel you will change your mind...

i have one with the light flywheel...

[andrewpgt]

ok, I just talked to justin. I'm changing the date to the 7th of may. this is over a month in advanced. so there is no reason what so ever that you can't get off your ass. take time off and get your ass up there for this. I'm also working with another group. mnsportcompact. I was this to be huge.

andrew

[Speedy]

:( I wish I had a car to dyno ... I'll come up and show you guys my mohawk though :D

[andrewpgt]

and if you don't want to dyno your whip. just show up and support the dyno day and justin!

andrew

[Speedy]

and if you don't want to dyno your whip.
I can dyno my whip ... hawtness ;)

[defiler]

I wouldn't mind seeing what either the PGT or LX dynos stock... would be interesting....

[andrewpgt]

I wouldn't mind seeing what either the PGT or LX dynos stock... would be interesting....


then bring you car and dyno

andrew

[defiler]

If I can come up with 60 bux b4 then, I just may have to...

[andrewpgt]

you guys are really starting to make me mad. i have given you over a month to get ready and I really don't have anyone besides myself.


andrew

[defiler]

Will they take credit cards at the place, or is it only cash? If it's card-capable I'm there.

[defiler]

I'm trying to talk a few people into this also. My brother might come with his 91LX, and I'm trying to get my buddy to come in with his T-Bird that he has a little bit of work done on it. Nobody has any money though it seems, so it's hard to get them to come. If they take cards there I'll be there for sure. I want a baseline set of #s so I can tell what the mods actually did when I get the GT upgraded this summer

[andrewpgt]

ok, this is the list then. put your name and car type

update.

may 7th, 9-9:30am or 2-4pm starting times. depending on the amount of people.

cost will be $60 per person. you get 3 pulls with a wide band tail sniffer.

they DO take cards if you don't have cash.

1)andrewpgt - 93 pgt
2)Defiler_187 - 89 PGT
3)
4)
5)
6)
7)
8)
9)
10)

i'm looking for ten to start. because i'm also trying set something up with mnsportcompact.net.

andrew

[defiler]

If it's at the 9-9:30 time, I'll be there (Work afternoons). but since they take cards, count me in.

Defiler_187 - 89 PGT

[andrewpgt]

i talked to a bunch of people today from my town. they all want to dyno. so I'm looking at taking up the slot that i have set aside from here to fill with them.

better hurry up. im filling them fast!
andrew

[andrewpgt]

nobody else wants to do this?

andrew

[GTcruiser33]

later in the summer i would, but that weekend is the weekend before finals for me, studying would be a better use of my time sadly, make it june-fall id be down, as i got an internship and will be taking next fall semester off, sorry man

[defiler]

This gives me reason to finally get my knock sensor and tempe sensors fixed... I want to see how this baby does. So what's the minimum we need? I'm still working on trying to find some people... (Too bad it's not a bike dyno.. i know someone who wants to do that). My buddy hasn't finished his 351 swap in his Rustang otherwise I would probably be able to talk him into it...

[andrewpgt]

well I have found people outside of this that are willing to join me. so it might just be you and I, along with everyone else that I have found by my house.

andrew

[defiler]

That sucks... but at least a few of us will be there...

[Speedy]

I'll see if some guys that are dating the girls at my school would be interested ... theres one that brags about owning a '05 lancer evo 'totally moded out with full on body kit and custom paint job.' but it's not nice enough to take it out yet :bs:

[pcmmelite]

but it's not nice enough to take it out yet :bs:

Evos were built for the dirt and snow. What fun is an all wheel drive if you aren't drifting around the elements. Actually, I have a pretty funny story regarding that. My brother had gone to the suburu dealership a few years ago and asked to test drive the wrx, the dealer went along for the ride. So my bro asks, "do you mind if I can see what this thing can do?" and the dealer says sure, probably not anticipating what my bro meant. So They find a dirt road and my bro starts tearing up the dirt doing drifts and going all four wheels off the ground on some jumps! When my bro is done, the dealer says, "holy shit! That was awesome. Do you race cars in real life?:lol: He doesn't, but the dealer got a hands on experience of what the wrx was built for.

[Speedy]

:lol: yea this guy is kind of creepy ... he doesn't want to dyno it because 'he knows what his car can do and doesn't need someone telling him things he already knows..' men I swear ... and people say I'm stubborn!

[pcmmelite]

If I had a "totally modded out" EVO, one of the first things I would do is dyno it to brag to others. This guy is full of crap. Tell him I'll bring my Mclaren F1 if he brings his EVO:lol:

[Speedy]

If I had a "totally modded out" EVO, one of the first things I would do is dyno it to brag to others. This guy is full of crap. Tell him I'll bring my Mclaren F1 if he brings his EVO:lol:
:lol: yea he won't talk to me now, he just sits in his car ... I think I called him out sad

[wannabfast]

well i dynoed the fiat today.. fun interesting numbers....

http://home.mn.rr.com/wannabfast/fiatdyno.jpg

and the fiat's wheelbase is too short for the dyno.. LOL by like 3"

[andrewpgt]

well i dynoed the fiat today.. fun interesting numbers....

http://home.mn.rr.com/wannabfast/fiatdyno.jpg

and the fiat's wheelbase is too short for the dyno.. LOL by like 3"


thats awesome!

andrew

[defiler]

Wow. My old 88 escort put out more HP than that.....

[wannabfast]

Wow. My old 88 escort put out more HP than that.....
but can it get sideways? my fiat sure as hell can!!!!
http://home.mn.rr.com/wannabfast/fiatdrift.jpg

[Shrep]

LOL

Gotta love those pix!

Andrew...think you'll be able to crack the 5 car minimum?

[andrewpgt]

I don't know. let me get on the horn to a few people. I will call you tomorrow.

andrew

[defiler]

We'd better have 5 people.....



I suppose I could always bring 2 cars in, then that would up the # of people.... I could bring in the fiance's 02 Taurus for shits and giggles....

[defiler]

but can it get sideways? my fiat sure as hell can!!!!
In the snow, with pulling the e-brake it could:lol:

[wannabfast]

yea, but i dont have to be in teh snow, or pull the ebrake..

ill go, but ill be bringin the civic

[defiler]

Civic got anything done to it?

Cool that's 3 people at least, maybe 4...

[pcmmelite]

I'm not officially commiting but, I'm 80%+ sure that I could make it. I need to get some stuff on the probe and tweak and tune it first so that I don't have my ZE w/ mods pull less HP than a stock GT and get laughed at. It feels way slower than it should, but I'll be troubleshooting stuff this weekend.

[defiler]

Oh you gotta come. You'll pull more HP than my Gt, I promise (Not more toruq, but at least more HP)



SO do we have to have at least 5 for this to go down? And is it harder to dyno an ATX than a MTX?

[wannabfast]

my civic has enough done to it.. i know justin can atest to the fact that its quick.. for a SOHC civic

it shouldnt matter whether its auto or manual

[defiler]

Hey I just got 2 more people for us, so we should have 5. I have a buddy who positivly wants to dyno his 300ZX and my freind has a 92 Tbird that he wants done (All he has to do is replace a connectin rod b4 then)

[Shrep]

LOL

SOunds like a plan!

[defiler]

So is the deal for $60 just for us MNPOC people, or is that also the price for the people that come w/o the probes? (Pretty much asking, it's $60 for anyone that wants to come that day?)


I was gonna just dyno it stock, but after this weekend I may have it Zombie chipped and up to 16psi with a test pipe, so I may get to see whAT it dynos at with the stock fuel pump/injectors maxed out at....

[andrewpgt]

1)andrewpgt - 93 pgt
2)andrewpgt - (friend) sentra spec-v
3)Defiler_187 - 89 PGT
4)defiler_187 - (friend) 300zx
5)defiler_187 - (friend) t-bird
6)
7)
8)
9)
10)

pcmmelite - you still game?

I might have one more to add. I think we should all me up at the MOA for a meeting spot then head up 169 to the shop. what do you think?

andrew

[defiler]

My 2 freinds live off 169 in Anoka/Coon rapids, so I doubt they'd want to go all the way to Bloomington, just to come back to ANoka. I live in Maplewood tho, so I dont have a problem with it.

wHAT time are we doing this at anyways? Was it going to be at 9am or 2pm? (And whats the pricing thing too... i figure its all the same for all of us, but u never know....)

[defiler]

Well i guess only the 300ZX is going to be coming, since it turns out the connecting rod wasn;t the only thing bad on the T-bird. He actually probably blew his whole motor (Thats what you get for doing neutral drops at 70...) But my other buddy with his 351 mustang might be coming... I may need to go help him finish this weekend and help wire it up, but he's worried about blowing his tranny..... but im still lookin for more


Otherwise, I figure I could meet you at the MoA, and then my freind with the 300Zx could just meet us there at the shop. Be easier for all of us.

[rybs]

So how many people do you guys got in on this? Is this event going to happen? If so, what time? I need some more details before I can commit.

Let me know.

[andrewpgt]

there needs to be a min of 5 people. as far as i know it is at 9-9:30am start time on the 7th of may. for people that live in the south subs. we are meeting on the 5th level on the east side parking lot at the moa. from there we will drive up to the shop. if you live in the northern part of the cities. it would be easier to just meet us there.

andrew

p.s. justin does that time work?

[defiler]

I have me and 1 freind coming positively. And it looks like Andrewpgt has 2 people for sure, so we're 1 short. What about pcmmelite and wannabefast? It sounded like they may come... and what about Flea? He says he's tossing a turbo on his Focus... i wonder why he doesnt come dyno that baby....

[rybs]

Sounds good. Count me in.

Add me too the list.

[andrewpgt]

1)andrewpgt - 93 pgt
2)andrewpgt - (friend) sentra spec-v
3)Defiler_187 - 89 PGT
4)defiler_187 - (friend) 300zx
5)Rybs - ?
6)?
7)?

I'm going to bring my video recorder and tape the whole thing. then I will post some of it and send out to who ever wants it.

andrew

[defiler]

Cool. I'm going to bring a digital camera too, so I can take pics of the dyno plots to post up (unless there's a way to get them on disc or something...)


YES. We got 5 people at least.....

[andrewpgt]

on the 5th level of the parking ramp, I will be over by sears. though I put that in but I didn't sorry everyone.

andrew

[defiler]

Cool. I'll probably meet you there, unless my buddy can't find his way to Maple grove for some reason...

[defiler]

Hey. It won't be a problem if I bring along a few people that just want to watch will it? My bro and a few buddies want to ride along just to watch.... so like me, the other kid to dyno, and 4 other people?

[andrewpgt]

Hey. It won't be a problem if I bring along a few people that just want to watch will it? My bro and a few buddies want to ride along just to watch.... so like me, the other kid to dyno, and 4 other people?

Nope no problem at all on my side! You might want to ask justin if it alright also. it is his shop after all.

So i'm thinking of leaving the MOA parking lot at 8:30 am.

andrew

[defiler]

SO justin, is it ok?


And 8:30? You do know it doesnt take anywhere near an hour to drive from bloomington to Maple Grove, right?

[andrewpgt]

yes i know. If it starts at 9 then we should leave by 8:30. see where i'm coming from.

andrew

[rybs]

Nobody else is interested? Common guys!

Andrew, did you get a hold of just to make sure said time is ok? For the list I’ll be bringing my 90gt. The moa is out of my way, so I'll be heading straight there.

[andrewpgt]

I just got off the phone with justin. 9 am is the time. the day is May 7th. and I don't think having people there will be a problem. I'm just really mad that nobody else wanted to do this. I gave EVERYONE over a month and I only got five people.

see you guys then.
andrew
rybs- see you at the shop.

[MN Probe GT]

Not everyone wants to know how slow their car is. :p

[Speedy]

I just got off the phone with justin. 9 am is the time. the day is May 7th. and I don't think having people there will be a problem. I'm just really mad that nobody else wanted to do this. I gave EVERYONE over a month and I only got five people.

see you guys then.
andrew
rybs- see you at the shop.

I'd get my probe dynoed ... but seeing as how a rod in the engine blew and the 2nd gear is going out ... not much of a point :(

[pcmmelite]

I just got off the phone with justin. 9 am is the time. the day is May 7th. and I don't think having people there will be a problem. I'm just really mad that nobody else wanted to do this. I gave EVERYONE over a month and I only got five people.

see you guys then.
andrew
rybs- see you at the shop.

Unfortunately, you're targeted date is the same weekend as my the last weekend before finals week so I'm busy as hell with projects, papers, and preparing for tests. If it was the next weekend or later, than I would have been game. I do want to get my car dyno'd though so we're going to have to have a dyno days 2 sometime later this summer.

[wannabfast]

cant do this, not enough green to do much of anything these days

stupid strike
but got the suspension in my fiat about 40% done... just changing the struts made a world of difference

[defiler]

yes i know. If it starts at 9 then we should leave by 8:30. see where i'm coming from.
I thought it was at 9:30. It being at 9 would explain that a little better. Oh well. But I'll probably meet up with you at the MoA, since I have to pick my brother up in the morning. I guess I'll know for sure tho closer to Sunday. But for now I'm gonna plan on meetin u at the mall.

As for people, if it was in the summer I could have found more people. Most people are just finishing up projects as son as summer starts, so that makes for perfect time then.

btw did I see things right? I saw on some DSM site that they were having like 40 people over at LSE last weekend or sometime around then. If so, that's a lot of people. We should hav tried to get it arranged with them...

[defiler]

Well it looks liek I'm just going to have to meet you at the shop instead of the MoA. I have to go pick my brother up at around 8:15, so it'd be impossible for me to make it to th emall on time. But I'll cya at the shop! me and my 15 psi monster... muahahaha

[rybs]

Did you ever get your temp and knock sensor figured out?

Should be interesting, I can't wait! Is there anyone else coming up just to watch/hang out?

[Eric94GT]

I just got off the phone with justin. 9 am is the time. the day is May 7th. and I don't think having people there will be a problem. I'm just really mad that nobody else wanted to do this. I gave EVERYONE over a month and I only got five people.

see you guys then.
andrew
rybs- see you at the shop.

My car is 100% stock and I don't have any time or extra money to start a new project... someday though.

[GTcruiser33]

Unfortunately, you're targeted date is the same weekend as my the last weekend before finals week so I'm busy as hell with projects, papers, and preparing for tests. If it was the next weekend or later, than I would have been game. I do want to get my car dyno'd though so we're going to have to have a dyno days 2 sometime later this summer.

ditto for me, any later weekend would have been alright, but finals next week is an issue, i gots to study for me edumacation

[defiler]

Did you ever get your temp and knock sensor figured out?

Should be interesting, I can't wait! Is there anyone else coming up just to watch/hang out?
__________________
I have my brother coming to watch now, but that's all. I may have another 2 buddies from Princeton coming, but they don;t now for sure. My good freind who fixces my car decided to pick up a 12 hour shift on Sunday, so he wont be along.


But yes, I did get the knock sensor fixed (Ran me 50 bux tho), and the temp sensor is something I'm going to go buy 2night and toss in. I'm also gonna see if there's a way to hook my cone filter up real quick, and ill be good to go...

On a side note, I did thorw another code now tho, but thats because I hooked up the MBC.... stupid OBD-I....

[andrewpgt]

I have my brother coming to watch now, but that's all. I may have another 2 buddies from Princeton coming, but they don;t now for sure. My good freind who fixces my car decided to pick up a 12 hour shift on Sunday, so he wont be along.


But yes, I did get the knock sensor fixed (Ran me 50 bux tho), and the temp sensor is something I'm going to go buy 2night and toss in. I'm also gonna see if there's a way to hook my cone filter up real quick, and ill be good to go...

On a side note, I did thorw another code now tho, but thats because I hooked up the MBC.... stupid OBD-I....

I can wait if that helps for you. I don't have to leave at 8:30

andrew

[defiler]

Na, that's OK. I'll just meet you there. I would only be getting to the mall at 9, then we'd have to leave from there so we'd be a little late... and I told my other buddy to meet us at 9 there, and have no way of telling him now to meet later (Dont have his number...funny situation...)

So I'll just meet you at LSE @ 9. It'll be easier for me that way....

[defiler]

dumdeedaaadumm.......... it's sunday morning, and hopefully everyone is up and ready to go...................................:thup: :lol: :eek: :shy: :D ;) :drool: :p :cool: :eg:

[rybs]

I'm up and ready. Meet you guys there!

[defiler]

awesome:D :eg:

[andrewpgt]

i'm out the door now

andrew

[GTcruiser33]

soooooo what kinda numbers did you guys put down????

[andrewpgt]

i put down 138.3 whp. the high for the day was, 180+ whp, that i know of. my friend put down 141.8 in his spec V.

andrew

[TyBrones87]

Nice but please tell me that you don't have your headers on there yet. Those numbers are pretty close to stock

[defiler]

yeah Rybs put down the high #s for the day. I put down 156.6HP and 215TQ. Pretty good for a stock car. My buddy put down around 165HP in his 300zx after everyone left...

[rybs]

Great time had by all. My car had some issues, but still put down 186 /250. Not too shabby I guess.

I’d like to thank Andrew for setting everything up, and also Justin for letting us use their shop. Everything went smoothly and everyone had a good time! Justin and the guys at LSE were very cool. hell, a contactor broke on my wideband, and they let me use their soldering iron to fix it. Thanks again guys!

So, who’s ready to go to the track?

[andrewpgt]

Nice but please tell me that you don't have your headers on there yet. Those numbers are pretty close to stock

nope no headers yet. :lol: wasn't feel up to putting them in yet. lol

andrew

[defiler]

So, who’s ready to go to the track?
I am. As soon as I get money and some tranny mounts, that is..... which track are you talking about going to anyways? BIR? Rock falls?


Man you guys missed the best part too... tho that 300zx didnt put doen a lot of power, it was the sweetest sounding thing there... thing made power ALL the way to 7000RPM before it dropped at 7100 too... it was beautiful...

[rybs]

I was thinking rock falls.

[akromix]

I had a turbo lebaron once. That thing was so fast. When you gun it on the highway the front end would lift so much you'd be weaven in and out of traffic uncontrollably. SO FAST

[Shrep]

Like I mentioned to those that were here...we bought our dyno for the accuracy, and repeatable numbers...not because it strokes your ego.

Gone of the days of 14 second cars that supposedly make 250 whp. If you want to know what you would have run on...Elite or RSMotors Dynos...20% more is a good number. But we don't race dynos...we race cars, and unless you're not "in it", NO 250whp car will run 14s at the track.

Our dyno is honest. Take it or leave it ;)

I like to look at it like this...Rybs put down 180/250. If some chode walks up to him on Uni bragging about his 200whp car...Rybs should easily be able to take it down, and still be honest about his numbers...kinda fun that way.

[MN Probe GT]

Like I mentioned to those that were here...we bought our dyno for the accuracy, and repeatable numbers...not because it strokes your ego.

Gone of the days of 14 second cars that supposedly make 250 whp. If you want to know what you would have run on...Elite or RSMotors Dynos...20% more is a good number. But we don't race dynos...we race cars, and unless you're not "in it", NO 250whp car will run 14s at the track.

Our dyno is honest. Take it or leave it ;)

I like to look at it like this...Rybs put down 180/250. If some chode walks up to him on Uni bragging about his 200whp car...Rybs should easily be able to take it down, and still be honest about his numbers...kinda fun that way.
shrep my car has 250hp and it runs 15's.

you know +30 for headers, +10 for throttle body, +20 for intake, +15 for intake manifold and +15 for spark plug wires.

[pcmmelite]

shrep my car has 250hp and it runs 15's.

you know +30 for headers, +10 for throttle body, +20 for intake, +15 for intake manifold and +15 for spark plug wires.

Wow! I must be at like 290hp than:lol: I have in addition to ^^, udp +10, test pipe +10, probinator ze chip +10, and a straight through exhaust +10. Come get some! Too bad it doesn't feel much faster than my 93 Z24 stock cavalier:no:

[defiler]

dude my stickers add 10 apeice, so I guess mine is at 180 now...:lol:

[andrewpgt]

shrep my car has 250hp and it runs 15's.

I run a 138.3 whp and I can hit 14's with more pratice.

andrew

and yes i do know you are joking around. I think

[defiler]

with 250WHP I would hope it runs low 14s.... unless he has a truck or something, then that could explain it.....

[MN Probe GT]

with 250WHP I would hope it runs low 14s.... unless he has a truck or something, then that could explain it.....
oh wow....

[Shrep]

Yeah...um a 250whp Probe with FULL interior should be DEEP in the 13s

[defiler]

oh wow....
:wtf:
What's that supposed to mean?:wtf: