my new winter beater

[mas93GT]

so about a week ago i bought a 98 dodge neon sport. 2.0L DOHC. ive ported and polished the intake. it has a bigger throttle body. new cold air intake. altezza tail lights. and i just threw the rims off of the probe on it to see how it looks lol... what do ya think?

and i wont be leaving these on during winter

[Oertdogg]

its not bad. ...or fast. but winter; who gives a tuck?

[mas93GT]

haha.. i bet it would beat fordbroncodaves probe SE's. mine has 150hp stock. his has 118hp.. :) and its just a neon

[MN Probe GT]

haha.. i bet it would beat fordbroncodaves probe SE's. mine has 150hp stock. his has 118hp.. :) and its just a neon
I think you should race eachother.

[cam]

I think you should race eachother.

The winner gets a new radio from the dollar store.

[jay]

The winner gets a new radio from the dollar store.

CB radio and dual antennas!!!

[SlaveLabor]

Run them at the meet, i would watch this!

[Eric94GT]

Very nice. So you swapped the wheels just to see how it looks? That takes some spirit haha.

[fordbroncodave]

does that engine have the single cam or the double? we own one of each. one is a 95 green neon with the single and a 98 expresso with the double cam. both are very slow in my opinion. the auto transmissions are so bad in those. no balls like that honda element i test drove today.

i'll take your ass in a race bitch

[jay]

no balls like that honda element i test drove today.

i'll take your ass in a race bitch



you HAD to test drive that car out of all the cars or trucks....???

[MN Probe GT]

does that engine have the single cam or the double? we own one of each. one is a 95 green neon with the single and a 98 expresso with the double cam. both are very slow in my opinion. the auto transmissions are so bad in those. no balls like that honda element i test drove today.

i'll take your ass in a race bitch

I'll put $20 on the neon. I can't remember dave, does your probe have an auto? If it does, I'll put another 20 on it blowing up before the race is over.

[fordbroncodave]

I'll put $20 on the neon. I can't remember dave, does your probe have an auto? If it does, I'll put another 20 on it blowing up before the race is over.

5 speed. i am a rookie still so its a toss up. manual would definitely win but i am not good enough to get its fullest potential.

if you ever drove a neon with an auto, they are SLOW

[TyBrones87]

I wanna race :(

[mas93GT]

I think you should race eachother.
lol uh what happened the last time i raced?? oh thats right JAIL!!! haha

Very nice. So you swapped the wheels just to see how it looks? That takes some spirit haha.
yup pretty much :thup: haha i have nothing else to do after work

does that engine have the single cam or the double? we own one of each. one is a 95 green neon with the single and a 98 expresso with the double cam. both are very slow in my opinion. the auto transmissions are so bad in those. no balls like that honda element i test drove today.

i'll take your ass in a race bitch



DOHC, 99 R/T computer, Short Shift, P&P intake on the head and manifold. Red modern performance 60mm TB. Crane Cams, Cold Air Intake, EGR block off, and ha! um let me see. ford probe se less hp and more weight than my neon.. do the math.


I'll put $20 on the neon. I can't remember dave, does your probe have an auto? If it does, I'll put another 20 on it blowing up before the race is over.

lol thanks kirk! :thup:

[pcmmelite]

I think you should race eachother.

:lol: I have more hp stock than both of them combined :rolleyes: Of course I could have bought 10 of each of their cars for what I paid for mine so I can't brag too much.

[mas93GT]

i get better gas milage :) haha but seriously its just a winter beater.. and a car to have some fun with. now i can work on a car and let it sit being apart while i have my other one to drive to work and back. but this winter nothing will happen to the neon unless its like 2 hours tops to do it.

i take some pride it making a car what it is. but thats me

[sk8phreak88]

:lol: I have more hp stock than both of them combined :rolleyes: Of course I could have bought 10 of each of their cars for what I paid for mine so I can't brag too much.

Haha, same here.. but only like 5 of each for me. :)

[Oertdogg]

put a big mouth bumper on your neon and its a near replica of my friends.

[jay]

5 speed. i am a rookie still so its a toss up. manual would definitely win but i am not good enough to get its fullest potential.

if you ever drove a neon with an auto, they are SLOW

and youre HOW old and still learning to shift a 5 speed? i was shifting by the age of 14!

[cam]

I'll race someone with my Dakota.

[TyBrones87]

For pinks????

[cam]

For pinks????

If you want a truck that gets 12/gallon.

[fordbroncodave]

those single and double cam engines in the neons are great on gas. the single gets around 41mpg and the twin gets about 30. (my dad really likes neons)

i didn't realize you put all the performance stuff in the neon already. if it was stock, i would probably win. you still didn't answer me if its a single or double cam. looks like a single by the looks of that valve cover.

[jay]

so it took you DAYS to see the upgrades???? NOW you realize youre gonna get beat?


you must be REALLY slow mentally.

[cam]

those single and double cam engines in the neons are great on gas. the single gets around 41mpg and the twin gets about 30. (my dad really likes neons)

i didn't realize you put all the performance stuff in the neon already. if it was stock, i would probably win. you still didn't answer me if its a single or double cam. looks like a single by the looks of that valve cover.

My Dakota would kill your little gay neon.

[mas93GT]

those single and double cam engines in the neons are great on gas. the single gets around 41mpg and the twin gets about 30. (my dad really likes neons)

i didn't realize you put all the performance stuff in the neon already. if it was stock, i would probably win. you still didn't answer me if its a single or double cam. looks like a single by the looks of that valve cover.


even if it was stock you still wouldnt win. the neon stock has 150hp. yours barely has 120. and the neon weighs less than the probe se. takes more power to move more weight.. and when you have less power, guess what. you lose


and oh my god cant you read???? i said its a DOHC.. look up there where i quoted a few people, its the first thing i put in to answere your question

[cam]

even if it was stock you still wouldnt win. the neon stock has 150hp. yours barely has 120. and the neon weighs less than the probe se. takes more power to move more weight.. and when you have less power, guess what. you lose


and oh my god cant you read???? i said its a DOHC.. look up there where i quoted a few people, its the first thing i put in to answere your question

Shit I even saw it.

[mas93GT]

Shit I even saw it.

thank you!!!!

[jay]

so about a week ago i bought a 98 dodge neon sport. 2.0L DOHC. ive ported and polished the intake. it has a bigger throttle body. new cold air intake. altezza tail lights. and i just threw the rims off of the probe on it to see how it looks lol... what do ya think?

and i wont be leaving these on during winter

YUP!!! its there... in BOLD letters



remember.. dave cant read abbreivations. you gotta spell it out or like youre talking to a 3 year old.


he may be referring to the BRONCO but still the neon is still MUCH lighter than the bronco and with all the CB crap, he still lose bc lack of alt pwr.. wait i better SPELL that ALL OUT!! Alternator POWER.

[cam]

YUP!!! its there... in BOLD letters



remember.. dave cant read abbreivations. you gotta spell it out or like youre talking to a 3 year old.


he may be referring to the BRONCO but still the neon is still MUCH lighter than the bronco and with all the CB crap, he still lose bc lack of alt pwr.. wait i better SPELL that ALL OUT!! Alternator POWER.


poor dave can't catch a break to save his life.

[jay]

poor dave can't catch a break to save his life.

i bet you my LIFE if he would OMIT majority of the electronic in his house and truck or his probe... he would actually be smarter.


there has been proven facts that electronics can screw up a brain and in this case... his damage is way beyond recovery

[MN Probe GT]

Those damn neons and their weight. If they weighed 3200lbs like normal cars they wouldn't be fast.

[fordbroncodave]

are they really lighter in weight then the probe? i guess i never checked but i'll take your word on it.

lots of rf in my living area. i could blame it on all the fcc non regulated shit i have

[mas93GT]

poor dave can't catch a break to save his life.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[cam]

back in the day when I first joined the club I was a marked man. People were always giving me shit about everything. Alot of it was because I made posts that were idiotic.

So I know what dave is going through. But most of it is just plain funny as shit.

:lol:

[defiler]

5 speed. i am a rookie still so its a toss up. manual would definitely win but i am not good enough to get its fullest potential.

if you ever drove a neon with an auto, they are SLOW
Ive driven them both, and MTX vs MTX, and ATX vs ATX, its all a toss-up.



My roomate has a MTX base model Probe with every bolt-on, and it's still slow. I think my Escort would take it stock still:lol:


i get better gas milage haha
Doubt it. With those mods I bet you get ~35mpg highway, which is around what his G35 gets.



even if it was stock you still wouldnt win. the neon stock has 150hp. yours barely has 120. and the neon weighs less than the probe se. takes more power to move more weight.. and when you have less power, guess what. you lose
And you are forgetting the little thing called gearing. The Probe is geared great for off the line, where the Neon isnt as much (WHich is why the Neon gets 10+mpg than the Probe does). The Probe would pull right off the line thru 1st, then the Neon would catch it. Been there, done that. Still all depends on the driver and the suspension setup, driver weight, amount of gas,etc etc etc. Plus that huge TB Id wager just kills your low-end torque. That weight advantage can be nullified pretty quickly.

The 1/4 miles times from the 2 arent that far off stock for stock.


Those damn neons and their weight. If they weighed 3200lbs like normal cars they wouldn't be fast.
The 300lbs it has on the Probe doesnt seem too shabby, eh?




How much did the beater run you price-wise?

[fordbroncodave]

it doesn't really look like a beater, infact it looks pretty good for what it is.

neons are in the same pricing category as probes. $200-$2500

[mas93GT]

And you are forgetting the little thing called gearing. The Probe is geared great for off the line, where the Neon isnt as much (WHich is why the Neon gets 10+mpg than the Probe does). The Probe would pull right off the line thru 1st, then the Neon would catch it. Been there, done that. Still all depends on the driver and the suspension setup, driver weight, amount of gas,etc etc etc. Plus that huge TB Id wager just kills your low-end torque.




first gear in the neon has nothing but torque, revs out quick. second gear is where it takes off and will go to 60mph before the rpms get too high. and i know a lot depends on the specifics of everything for the race. but as far as number's go, the neon is lookin better for the win.


and it cost me 1100. came with the throttle body, ecu, short shift, egr block off kit and thats it. the porting of the head cost me like 7 bucks for the gasket and thats it, spent maybe 5 hours pulling it apart and doing the work, then putting it back together.

im going to put the egr system back in as soon as i find one in a junk yard. i dont know if it hurts or helps the performance so im putting that back where it should be.

the last neon i had was all stock except the iceman intake and tha still only got 36mpg. but how much a tank gets me doesnt bother me anymore. i get what i get.

[fordbroncodave]

how do the standard gearboxes compare to the autos they put in those? ours are both autos and i think regardless of the engine size they are slow as fuck with an auto in them.

[mas93GT]

manual is way different than the auto. back in high school i raced an auto 2.0L vs my manual. walked away from it as soon as i hit second gear. first gear i was just pullin away slowly. but its the same as any other car with auto or manual for the most part. i raced my buddy in his auto pgt and killed him lol

[fordbroncodave]

i thought the auto trans in the probes is pretty fair for the most part. the kickdown was excellent but the overdrive was poor. slow transition i guess is what kills it.

i suppose a standard is probably better off then a auto because of the 10-20% loss of power

[eagleeye]

I wanna race :(

ill race u!! lol

i dont like automatics they are to boring for me.. i drove a auto pt cruiser turbo and drove a non turbo pt cruiser with a 5 speed and they felt almost the same.

[TyBrones87]

automatics are shit. ask me how i know
ill race u!! lol
Muscle beats import... everytime

[sk8phreak88]

Whatchu talkin bout tyler? The bimmer was a close race against me. ;) Same with Vishnu's CRX... Which I never got to run after he put the turbo on the new motor set up.. (Did he finish that bastard yet?)

[TyBrones87]

Close??? Lol granted its a little faster now than it was then, you'd still beat me down. For whatever reason, the c-rex is still all motor. Prolly gonna slap it all back together this winter

[defiler]

i thought the auto trans in the probes is pretty fair for the most part. the kickdown was excellent but the overdrive was poor. slow transition i guess is what kills it.

i suppose a standard is probably better off then a auto because of the 10-20% loss of power

Try 20-30% for an auto. Manual is closer to 15%. And autos are geared like shit. Try driving an ATX Probe and then an MTX. Night and day difference in power.

[fordbroncodave]

maybe thats the reason i got rid of my red one for the blue one? or maybe because the red one was but ugly unless it rained

[sk8phreak88]

Close??? Lol granted its a little faster now than it was then, you'd still beat me down. For whatever reason, the c-rex is still all motor. Prolly gonna slap it all back together this winter

Well what the hell! Tell him to finish that damn car.. My build plans have been postponed Until next winter... But I am Pulling the car apart this winter to fix the blown up clutch and find out why it was running so rich and only put down a very embarrassing 271RWHP and 295RWTQ.. Get me up to my 315-330WHP and 350-365WTQ I should be at..

I figure the extra 40 horsepower I'm missing and will have should feel like I've done more work to the damn thing.. That and I'm going to shed a few pounds.

[defiler]

I figure the extra 40 horsepower I'm missing and will have should feel like I've done more work to the damn thing.. That and I'm going to shed a few pounds.
There wont be anything left if you shed a few pounds:lol:

[rybs]

1g neons FTW. I'd sport a 1g acr in a heartbeat.

[defiler]

If you could find one under 2k that isnt rusted out:eek:

[rybs]

If you could find one under 2k that isnt rusted out:eek: Truth

[mas93GT]

lol hell yeah.. mine is pretty clean. not an acr tho. i think. i dont know the difference in them. never took the time to find out

[defiler]

If it was, you'd know it.

[mas93GT]

yeah i guess

[sk8phreak88]

There wont be anything left if you shed a few pounds:lol:

Rofl, that was meant towards the car. ;) I am looking to loose about 10 pounds my self though. Haha.