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fordbroncodave
11/15/2009, 12:08 AM
we just got our 3rd neon. trailering it home tomorrow. this is getting ridiculous. 3 at once:help:
gee dude.. youre starting to create a junk yard for neons.
having that many vehicles, does that violate your city ordinance?
gee dude.. youre starting to create a junk yard for neons.
having that many vehicles, does that violate your city ordinance?
How many of those neons have cbs and scanners?
i often thought he lived by himself... but saying in disbelief another neon.. is solid proof he still lives with his dad.
lame.
fordbroncodave
11/15/2009, 10:01 PM
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p127/gendex101/1115091609.jpg
who cares about city ordinance. as i am typing this there are 10 vehicles on our property all registered. not including the 3 boats, 2 trailers, 2 snow mobiles and my tractor. all of which are visible outside.
yes i still live with my dad. nothing is wrong with that
mas93GT
11/16/2009, 12:36 AM
why is it being trailored home and not driven?
fordbroncodave
11/16/2009, 11:16 AM
why is it being trailored home and not driven?
good question. we suspect the timing belt snapped and may or may not have ruined the head. its an interference engine but the computer at work says it may not ruin the head at low speeds and engine speed.
cannot complain on the price!
won't cost any more then $100 to restore the car to working condition.
hell it was only 2 monthes ago i installed a brand new alternator in it.
hell it was only 2 monthes ago i installed a brand new alternator in it.
very good indication i dont want you to work on my vehicles or should you work anyone else's.
MN Probe GT
11/16/2009, 04:15 PM
good question. we suspect the timing belt snapped and may or may not have ruined the head. its an interference engine but the computer at work says it may not ruin the head at low speeds and engine speed.
I'm not claiming to be an expert, but I'm pretty sure a broken timing belt will bend valves in about 0.0000001 seconds on an interference engine.
That was one nice thing to not have to worry about with the V6 probe. Now I wonder why all interference engines don't come with timing chains? I mean even GM put them on some of their pile of shit v6's.
defiler
11/16/2009, 05:32 PM
Because chains are louder, require more maintenance, and are more expensive. Automotive producers always look at the bottom line, and thats why the belts came into play...
I'm not claiming to be an expert, but I'm pretty sure a broken timing belt will bend valves in about 0.0000001 seconds on an interference engine.
Pretty much, unless it broke when you started the car, or broke while idling.
fordbroncodave
11/16/2009, 07:35 PM
it broke in his driveway while warming up. it turns over real fast now so yah, timing belt definitely broke. if it bent a valve or many valves, i could just go to u pull and get another head.
timing chains are nice and last a long time but they do stretch and even if the car has an interference engine, stretching can cause some bad damage.
jay, the alternator had nothing to do with the timing belt breaking.
timing chains are nice and last a long time but they do stretch and even if the car has an interference engine, stretching can cause some bad damage.
well as for a probe.. they are suppose to be changed out every 60,000 miles.. and it should be mandate to change the water pump regardless the shape or condition its in while instaling a new belt....oh wait.. i never owned a probe.. i wouldnt know anything about this. bummer.
jay, the alternator had nothing to do with the timing belt breaking.
OH youre a genius!!!!
very good indication i dont want you to work on my vehicles or should you work anyone else's.
i dont remember saying it was the alternator that did it. Im saying in general that you worked on a car and now its fucked up.
i know some mechanics like to fiddle with other things so it comes back and make them more money. in your case, you got a car out of the deal. since your dad loves Neons, he must of mastered up a plan and won.
idiot.
MN Probe GT
11/16/2009, 07:55 PM
Because chains are louder, require more maintenance, and are more expensive. Automotive producers always look at the bottom line, and thats why the belts came into play...
I was going to say that having to pay to replace damaged engines under warranty is more expensive than a timing chain, but then I realized that timing belts usually break after the warranty is over. :lol:
defiler
11/16/2009, 08:19 PM
timing chains are nice and last a long time but they do stretch and even if the car has an interference engine, stretching can cause some bad damage.
It would have to have hundreds of thousands of miles for it to get THAT much stretch in it.
it should be mandate to change the water pump regardless the shape or condition its in while instaling a new belt
"mandatory", "a mandate", or "should mandate", actually.
I was going to say that having to pay to replace damaged engines under warranty is more expensive than a timing chain, but then I realized that timing belts usually break after the warranty is over.
Now you're getting it;) It's just another way for them to get more money out of you, since it's a maintenance item that requires replacement more frequently than a chain. Cheaper for them to replace parts-wise, and more for you to pay to have fixed cost-wise. It's a win-win for the auto makers.
"mandatory", "a mandate", or "should mandate", actually.
yah sorry.. i shoudve added the "a" to it.
fordbroncodave
11/17/2009, 12:10 AM
jay, the person kept coming back to us for repairs constantly. its riding on bald tires and now that it needs major work (to him at least) its in our possession now because he didn't want to spend the money getting it fixed any more. he didn't take the time to get general maintenance done to it so it cost him in the long run. basically we got the car for as much as it cost him to get it towed to my work for repair.
It sat at my work for almost a month before I asked if he would sell it, then i passed the deal on to my dad and he bought it.
fordbroncodave
11/28/2009, 11:54 PM
turns out the water pump seized and the belt was rubbing. pulled the water pump off, replaced it and new timing belt and valve cover gasket and it runs like a champ.
head didn't get damaged
defiler
11/29/2009, 12:31 AM
So you pulled the head off to see if it was damaged or not??
moz_21
11/29/2009, 06:44 PM
it broke in his driveway while warming up. it turns over real fast now so yah, timing belt definitely broke. if it bent a valve or many valves, i could just go to u pull and get another head.
timing chains are nice and last a long time but they do stretch and even if the car has an interference engine, stretching can cause some bad damage.
jay, the alternator had nothing to do with the timing belt breaking.
If the belt broke and you continued cranking it you may have caused more damage to the valves. Hope you get lucky and there isn't a hole through the piston like the Avenger I fixed. Took a new head and 2 pistons/rods.
fordbroncodave
11/29/2009, 07:39 PM
didn't have to pull the head after we seen that the timing belt was missing a few teeth.
its hard to explain but the belt didn't exactly snap, teeth just got rubbed off.
took the car out on a drive today and it works fine. i assume nothing is wrong with the head after that.
didn't have to pull the head after we seen that the timing belt was missing a few teeth.
its hard to explain but the belt didn't exactly snap, teeth just got rubbed off.
took the car out on a drive today and it works fine. i assume nothing is wrong with the head after that.
so just assuming is not always the safe way to do it, espeically if it was a customer's car. pulling the heads is the best way to guarantee that the head or pistons arent damaged. foreign objects can damage internal.
CSFiend
11/30/2009, 12:28 PM
so just assuming is not always the safe way to do it, espeically if it was a customer's car. pulling the heads is the best way to guarantee that the head or pistons arent damaged. foreign objects can damage internal.
If it runs and drives properly, why waste the time to pull a good head? You know IMMEDIATELY if there's any mechanical damage from a snapped timing belt once it's running.
fordbroncodave
11/30/2009, 01:11 PM
a compression check is probably all that needed to be done but since it didn't snap then its all good.
starts up great, if it had valve damage it would probably start up longer from lacking compression or not at all
redpgt93
12/07/2009, 09:49 PM
so how about the weather. its so fricken cold out. hate it. since i dont have a sled worth riding anymore, i hate winter, besides that fact that i play in the snow with my car a lil
:yawn:
fordbroncodave
12/08/2009, 12:11 AM
winter sucks. i only get a thrill out of driving the truck in an impossible snow storm and pissed truck drivers on the radio. thats about all. good scenery though.
its gonna be a bitch and a half trying to get the "worth while" snowmobile out from under the deck but i just haven't had the time or anyone to help. hell we still have to pull the steps out of the swimming pool before it rips a rosie o'donnell ass crack in the lining .
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