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[Eric94GT]

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Did either of you with the ZE have these problems? Any problems at all? Who sells the ZE?

[rebby]

the engine can be had from corksport....

[MN Probe GT]

Waste of money. You don't want it. If you are going to spend that much, you should get an SC or TC. That will be better with the KL-03's 9.2:1 CR as opposed to the higher CR in the KL-ZE

[Eric94GT]

where can I get a reliable TC or SC for our car. I've read that "knight" TC's can burn up. Does anybody know of a good page that describes how these work and how to install, I don't know anything about either.

[rebby]

Originally posted by MN Probe GT
Waste of money. You don't want it. If you are going to spend that much, you should get an SC or TC. That will be better with the KL-03's 9.2:1 CR as opposed to the higher CR in the KL-ZE what is the KL-ZE CR???
i know the FS-ZE if 10.5:1 and the stock 2.0L is 9.5:1

[MN Probe GT]

SC attaches to the belts which run a compressor. The only way to run an SC with our car is to run a shaft in front the engine which connects to the belts on the passenger side and another belt assembley on the drivers side (which turns the compressor) SCs are easier to install and don't create more heat. However, they have parasitic drag. The engine works harder to turn that compressor (because it's running off the engine) but that is kind of small.

TCs use the same idea, but instead of belts, it uses the exhaust gases to spin a compressor. This is why the exhaust manifolds may or may not work with a turbo set up. Most people put the turbo/SC where the battery is. I have seen it in front of the engine though.

Knights stuff I've heard isn't too great, but what do you expect for only $4,000? The best deals are usually from shops that do custom work.

I think the KL-ZE's CR is 10:1 or 10.5:1

I can't believe I forgot it.....I used to know......

[tracer bullet]

Yeah, the SC does get hot but nothing in comparison. A turbo uses the exhaust, so it's always at least that hot on the exhaust side. Some of that spills over to the aluminum intake side as well, for a combination that ends up being quite warm. It's amazing how much an intercooler will help performance with one.

Both though compress the intake air. And when you do that, it get's hot. An S/C is much cooler than a turbo, but both are hotter than stock...

Joel Rivard (Riv on PT) has a Knight turbo on his car, has for a few years now I think, or at least one or two. He seems to just love it, has a ton of miles on it. It makes a poof of black smoke when he steps on it though - but other than that, it's damned fast. Way faster than a near stock PGT, and still much faster than a ZE.

If you do a turbo you can save the money you might have been thinking about putting into headers, as you will have to custom make your own. So if you wanted headers and a turbo, it sort of lowers the relative price a little! In fact, in the dollars per hp ratio, behind nitrous, it's probably #2 overall. A turbo's expensive, but with everything else bone stock you'd be killing everyone!

[domino]

I have been talking to tom at TKT and sounds as though the "bad rep"? is all from the turbos that people have put in them selves and swapped parts to "improve his kits". the sc (which I am planning on for this summer, is extremely reliable and the Drag that kirk was speaking of is almost nonexsistant, he also added that with the higher compression ratio of the ZE (10.0/1) that I would be safe under 8 lbs of boost without any shims or head work.
I plan on getting his kit (partially the reason I moved my batt) and using the parts he supplys including the 3" exhaust!! And I also know Joel has the TKT turbo and he loves it no probs yet.

[Racer X]

ze is way cheaper than TC or SC kit and in stall. TC and SC kit around 4 grand plus new clutch labor. expect to spend $5500 buy the time yer done. ze can be had for $1595 from japan engines and transmisions. price includes shipping. garunteed mx-6 mannifold too. price of in stall i was quoted $600, ok probaly wont stay at that price but even if it doubled total caost $2800 dollars. add 350 for new computer and prices is $3150. SC or TC do make more power but get compression checked and if motor has more than forty thousand miles expect to buy a new one within a year. many people on PT get less that a year at 7psi. i talked to a race car builder he told be not to run boost on old engine. he said nos if i want more power would be safer.(its only on for 15 sec at a time or less)


jeremy SC on 10:1 compression huh? maybe like 3 psi is safe. 9:1 for old engine with 8 psi is pushing it. well anyways its your engine i just hope when you get the thing installed and start it up then rev it up head doesnt go fling off. at the CR bad gas hot day detonation is going to creep up on ya.

also TCs are more theramaly efficient that SCs. they make less heat. they seam hotter but thats cause exhaust is inches away. but sharged air cooler. don ask how this works all i know is that i read it sport compact a couple of months ago. also TCs will make like 10-20 more hp that SCs. check into efficency #s.ill try to find that article because i know knowone is going to believe me cause it sounds backwards.

[rebby]

do you have a link for "japan engines & transmissions"???

[Racer X]

no i dont, i think its japan enginesandtransmision.com oh yeah they are located in minnesota :) and there # is in the yellow pages. i think he said they have them in stock too.

[Racer X]

im pretty sure they can get any jap version motor 2.0 too

[rebby]

Originally posted by Racer X
im pretty sure they can get any jap version motor 2.0 too what made you think that was my next question??? :D

[domino]

I cant believe that you guys are up this early and on here too
its sunday!!!!
sleep in
my excuse is that I have to work in an hour

[rebby]

9am IS sleeping in for me...

[MN Probe GT]

The average price I see for a ZE is over 2 grand plus shipping. and installing them is a ton too. And I wouldn't trust ANYthing in SCC.

[Eric94GT]

from what i'm hearing about ZE's and TC vs. SC, its all making me lean toward NOS since my car has about 90,000 miles now. Is NOS safe for the 03? Does it reduce engine life or anything else like busting a piston rod, etc.

Here's a new NOS Thread:
https://forum.mnpoc.org/showthread.php?threadid=391

All Your Probes Are Belong To Me!!!!!

[MN Probe GT]

no....all your base are belong to us.

[Racer X]

no $1595 klze with good mannifold to your door they live in minnesota. $600 dollar quote to put in. like i said check thermal efficiencies turbo are more efficient cause they spin at like 100,000 rpm!!!, sc's at like 30,000 the way cetrifigual chargers work (turbo or sc) is by catching air in th im pellers and flinging it off the other side. centrifigual force in action, it wasn't in scc i was in another its a really good article. more centrifigual force (spinning faster) less heat is produced cause less agressive impeller is needed so less nrg is spent on air turblance which make heat.


anyways turbos are better for two reasons wasted heat make hoarse power. they can be spooled at low rpm's and blow off valve make a cool sound. that three


the good thing about sc is that boost comes on in a linear fashion. but at low rpm boost is not there or too low to matter. it takes two psi to make up for sc drag and two more to feel a differance.