ma new setup!!!

[zenmasterzex]

i am all ready for my czt im and 67 mm tb. i just installed my ludespeed turbo pipes with the hotshot headers, 60/63 turbo. if the numbers on the new im are correct i will be making around 325 whp on only 7psi!!!! the ludespeed pipes with hotshot make 275 alone!!! the car is out of commission until i get the im, but as soon as i get it i will be dynoing it at mankato. i will post dates, or if anyone going there knows aaron Mclain from esko he can tell you.


:bd: :smokin:

[GTcruiser33]

should post pics of all this man, sounds like itll be fast as hell, nice work

-erich

[probespeed]

:eek: What did you do to the motor to support all that?

Sounds like a nice setup :thup:

[zenmasterzex]

Originally posted by probespeed
:eek: What did you do to the motor to support all that?

Sounds like a nice setup :thup:
the motor will handle up to 14 psi before it blows, rayman on probetalk did it himself, i am only going to run 7 psi until next summer when i put in my forged czt pistion kit, than i am going to crank it up to 15 psi. i also got a whole custom built case hardened steel stransmission with roller bearings instead of ball bearings that will handle around 500 whp. i got it specai shipped from cali. :p

[probespeed]

I was wondering more about the fuel side of things. The stock injectors aren't the greatest.

[Shrep]

Sounds like you've got your work cut out for you. Not trying to argue here or anything, but I can't see how you're gonna support 325whp with stand alone. By the way...I've never heard of anyone even close to 300 on only 7 psi. That's 150-160whp over stock. Regardless of pipes and IM/TB it would likely take 12-15psi to get over the 300 mark. :shrug:

[zenmasterzex]

check out the 93gtsr's dyno with the old ludespeed and the new ludespeed pipes. the new ones made 275 on only 7psi

[zenmasterzex]

probespeed and a few others on ptalk is running 10 psi on stock injectors also

[zenmasterzex]

next summer i plan on running sds, 550cc injectors, apexi avcr, and distributorless ign. as of now i only have a cartech and a walbro 255hp

[probespeed]

Not to burst your bubble but I'm only running 4psi and having fuel issues :shrug: those that are running 10psi on stock injectors are doing so because they have inefficient setups. Running 4psi of cool air and 10psi of hot air could easily use the same amount of fuel. 93gtr's setup is not on stock fuel, he is running the same setup i have awaiting install. The plans you have for next summer sound great but if you think you're going to run 325whp this summer you should probably add in a new motor for next summer.

That's just my 2 cents but what do I know. :shrug:

[zenmasterzex]

that is what i am planning

[mnskateboarder]

Originally posted by zenmasterzex
i will be making around 325 whp on only 7psi!!!!




probally not.....

[MN94ProbeGT]

Originally posted by mnskateboarder
probally not.....

What he said.

[jay]

WERD...

[Splat]

yup

[Shrep]

Seriously Zen, we're not trying to hate on you or anything. We tend to watch out for our own, and don't want to see you get your hopes up for something that, so far has proven to be impossible. You are talking to folks with many years of automotive experience, many of which with a Probe. If it can be done and is your goal, we want to help you achieve it. We just don't want you to have unrealistic goals. Get what I mean? :thup:

[zenmasterzex]

yeah i understand, and i just double checked my figures and the 275 is from 9 psi, not 7. my bad. i will be making some nice numbers though.

[Shrep]

That is for sure...and we hope you accomplish your goals.

*whew* I thought we'd chased you away already.... :lol:

[youngin]

awesome man. what modifying of the crossmember did you have to do? if i ever were to own a set of ludespeed pipes, woulda ya lend a hand?

[zenmasterzex]

i am doing the crossmember tomorrow, sure i will lend a hand, i will give complete specs of where to cut and pics of everything to anyone who gets a ludespeed kit.

[zenmasterzex]

crossmember is done, will do the rest this weekend!!!

[zenmasterzex]

mazdapower and i are currently midway though the project, should be done by tomorrow night.!!!!!!!

[zenmasterzex]

while after 22 STRAIGHT HOURS OF FRUSTRATING WORK!!!! WE ARE KEPT WAITING BY A PESKY LITTLE PETCOCK!!!! I AM GOING TO CUT IT OFF AND PLUG IT UP TOMORROW, I NEED SOME SLEEP BEFORE WORK. IT WILL BE FINISHED WITHIN THE NEXT DAY OR SO. :THUP:

[zenmasterzex]

she is up and running now!!!!! just need to get a few problems taken care of, but i am soo pooped i am going to bed now. :D

[probespeed]

pics :D

[Splat]

WERD!

[zenmasterzex]

pics coming soon. still having a rough time smoothing out the running. i do not feel a gain in hp until about 4500 and it is not that strong, what am i doing wrong????

[MN Probe GT]

hmmm I thought I would be able to feel the difference between 160hp and 325hp. :(

[Splat]

that "gain in HP" at 4500 is the second vris opening up.

[zenmasterzex]

Originally posted by MN Probe GT
hmmm I thought I would be able to feel the difference between 160hp and 325hp. :(

exactly!!!!! only i miscalculated and will only be hitting 300, but still no noticible increase!!!!

[Shrep]

I'm pretty sure that there would be a noticeable increase when there's a 140Hp difference. Even the "butt dyno" can pick up on something as small as 5hp. Perhaps there is a tuning, clutch or traction issue?

[zenmasterzex]

definitely no traction issue, i have no boost pressure, my guage shows no boost whatsoever!

[Shrep]

ahhh...wastegate stuck?

[zenmasterzex]

i dont know, how do i tell?

[zenmasterzex]

the exhaust is loud too!

[zenmasterzex]

i have a spec 3 clutch and fidanza also.

[Shrep]

Well...if anything you may not be spooling. Typically when you install a turbo, the exhaust get's quieter...I would check for a massive leak somewhere.

[zenmasterzex]

THANKS!!!!

[Purple_94GT]

Originally posted by zenmasterzex
the exhaust is loud too!

It sounds (pun intended) like you more than likely have a large exhaust leak. Any leak will lead to less turbo spoolage ... a large leak will lead to little to no spool.

Do you have a dumped wastegate? If you aren't building boost, then your wastegate shouldn't be open and your exhaust shouldn't be any louder than it was before the install.

To do list:
-Nut and bolt the entire hot side
-Check all charge piping & couplers

If you don't have any leaks on the hot or cold side then the problem is isolated to your turbo.

Lucas

[Shrep]

Originally posted by Purple_94GT
It sounds (pun intended) like you more than likely have a large exhaust leak. Any leak will lead to less turbo spoolage ... a large leak will lead to little to no spool.

Do you have a dumped wastegate? If you aren't building boost, then your wastegate shouldn't be open and your exhaust shouldn't be any louder than it was before the install.

To do list:
-Nut and bolt the entire hot side
-Check all charge piping & couplers

If you don't have any leaks on the hot or cold side then the problem is isolated to your turbo.

Lucas :cool: What he said. :thup:

[Shrep]

stoopid peeple duble posst. :no:

[Purple_94GT]

Originally posted by Shrep
stoopid peeple duble posst. :no:

Comment not appreciated, but understood

It's finals week for me and I have only slept about 6.5 hours since Sunday. My usual attention to detail has been lacking to say the least.

Don't worry ... I only cried for a couple of minutes.

[Shrep]

no no no. I was talking about me...I double-posted.

[probespeed]

well I'll tell ya what........... when it is working you will feel a very noticable gain ;)

And what Luke said also :)

[zenmasterzex]

i just checked and no exhaust leak, it was just my wastegate dumping into the atmosphere. i think i may be blowing out the spark with my .40 gap

[Shrep]

Originally posted by Shrep
ahhh...wastegate stuck? hehe

Glad to see you found the problem. Any idea when you will get it fixed?

[zenmasterzex]

wastegate was not stuck, still no power. the reason i was blowing into the atmosphere is because i was reaching 7 psi and it was opening the wastegate to release the pressure.

[Shrep]

you mean that you still didn't feel any difference at 7psi?

[zenmasterzex]

exactly

[probespeed]

:lol: ........... sorry but that's funny :lol:

[zenmasterzex]

no its not...i have had such a biatch of a time with this car!









nope, your right, it is.

[probespeed]

BTW.......... put your wastegate spring in.

[zenmasterzex]

it is in. i took the wastegate out and apart. there is a spring in it. i put pressure on it and it goes in like it is supposed to. tomorrow i am going to re-gap my plugs to .32 instead of .40 where they are at now. i will also retime the car to see if it is off on that.

[Mazda_Power]

OK Here is the set up he has going. If you are familiar with the Ludespeed set up this is going to be old news and skip to the next paragraph. The Ludespeed system constists of Hotshot primaries which look to collect into a 2.25" pipe and run into a 2.5" pipe (this is just by looks). This runs up to the turbo which is mounted where the old battery was (now in the trunk). He has a Tial 38mm external Wastegate which is supposed to be set at 7psi. It is an open atmosphere wastegate, and the car is NEVER loud enough for it to be going off. The pipe then runs down and connects to a test pipe (which is connected to the good old stock exhaust).

The situation on the cool side off the turbo: The turbo (Garrett 63 with a 60-1 shaft) is set up to blow downwards and slightly towards the radiator support. This pipe runs down to the bottom of the radiator support and then veers right (if you were to be looking right at the car). The intake piping then runs around the side of the radiator support. This is where the BOV is located (HKS super Sequential). The BOV is nounted on its side. There is no leaks here and the HKS seams to opperate fine, its obviously not running loud because there is little boost. Then the pipe runs left across the radiator support into a 28" (I think) Spearco intercooler (no leaks, no restrictions I've already tested it). After the intercooler the pipe runs right then goes into a hole cut in the radiator support. The pipe then makes a right and goes a little under and behind the radiator. When the pipe gets to the two fans it turns and goes straight up in between the Hotshot's and the radiator. Then it takes a turn right when it reaches the height of the valve cover and goes until it can make a 90 degree angle with the VAF.

Other Parts installed: Fidanza Flywheel, Spec Stage III clutch, Stainless Steel Clutch Line, CarTech FMU.



Things I see as Possible Problems:


THE FLANGE ON THE EXHUAST SIDE OF THE DOESN'T LINE UP PERFECTLY WITH THE FLANGE ON THE PIPE (NO LEAKS, BUT POSSIBLE RESTRICTION)
THE EXHAUST PIPE OFF THE TURBO RUNS A FRACTION OF AN INCH FROM THE DISTRIBUTOR (POSSIBLE ELECTRONICAL OVERHEATING)
THE BOV, WASTEAGE, BOOST GAUGE, AND FMU ALL RUN FROM ONE FITTING, ROUGHLY THE SIZE OF THE VACUUM TUBE THAT RUNS TO OUR STOCK AIR BOX
THE VAF ITSELF IS FAULTY OR IS OVERTIGHTENED AND BECOMING A RESTRICTION


I base these opinions from helping install the kit and driving it. The car gets pretty severe missfire. 1-2 cylinders and is a rareity when it doens't mis-fire at all (idle sometimes).

This is all I can think of right now, if you need more info you can check the link below.

HERE (http://forums.probetalk.com/showthread.php?t=1701099350&page=1&pp=25) is the link to Probetalk where a forum has also been opened.

LET'S GET THIS TURBO BOOSTING!!!!!

[probespeed]

I'd take a closer look at the vaf. You said that you might have overtightened it and that is crucial to idle and if it isn't opening at wot it will restrict severly.

An exhaust problem shouldn't give you idle problems and spark plug gap shouldn't either. This makes me think it's the vaf also.

GET SOME HEAT WRAP ON THAT DOWNPIPE!!!!!! running that close to the disty will give you problems later but not the kind you are having now.

You should also split off those vacume lines to more sources. But you already knew that ;)

[zenmasterzex]

its all fixed now! runs with a miss, but fast as hell!!!!! will be even faster when i gat the misfire out. i need to get ready for army guards this weekend. i will tell yall more about it on monday.

[Purple_94GT]

Originally posted by zenmasterzex
its all fixed now! runs with a miss, but fast as hell!!!!! will be even faster when i gat the misfire out. i need to get ready for army guards this weekend. i will tell yall more about it on monday.
What do you have for air/fuel ratio monitoring?

That "miss" could be detonation. Your car might feel fast as hell, but only because it is running on the ragged edge of holing a piston. The leaner you run the more power you make for a given amount of boost. Remember, detonation can cause forces exponentially higher than any amount of boost you'll ever be able to run.

This may sound retarted, but how old are your plug wires? When was the last time you changed the disty cap and rotor? Changing/gapping your plugs can only do so much if you are sending them good juice.

Let us know ... pictures are always good too.

Lucas

[zenmasterzex]

i got a plx 300 wideband oxygen sensor, converter, and autometer air/fuel guage.

[zenmasterzex]

i have never replaced cap and rotor, but i have only had the car for 8 months

[Purple_94GT]

Originally posted by zenmasterzex
i got a plx 300 wideband oxygen sensor, converter, and autometer air/fuel guage.
What kind of air/fuel ratio are you running? I just want to rule out the possibility that your "miss" isn't detonation. If it isn't detonation, then it is an ignition problem.

Originally posted by zenmasterzex
i have never replaced cap and rotor, but i have only had the car for 8 months
I would replace your cap, rotor, and plug wires if they haven't been replaced since you've owned the car. Unless you have service records from the previous owner, you have no idea how old these parts are. Look at it this way ... You (or your parents) have just got done spending $2500+ boosting your car. What is $100-150 for a new cap, rotor, and wires?

Lucas

[zenmasterzex]

i am running rich and have the misfire.

[Purple_94GT]

Originally posted by zenmasterzex
i am running rich and have the misfire.

How "rich" are you running? <- I need a number (.0001:1, 12:1, 13:1, 14:1 etc.) Too much fuel can cause a problem too. We need as much info as possible to help out.

Lucas

[zenmasterzex]

well, she is down for now i blew the radiator on the way home from work and i will see what the damage is. i do not know how long it was hot, but i dont think it was too long. i brought it too a shop to get everylittle thing taken care of. when i get it back it should be running on all six!!!!! than i can install my apexi avcr and crank the boost to 10psi!!!!

[Mazda_Power]

Hey your still posting on this forum? Cool... Give a reply as soon as you know what happened... NO ANTI-FREEZE = :tdown: ... It was an honest mistake.

[zenmasterzex]

there was no mistake, i blew a hole in the radiator and everything leaked out!

[Mazda_Power]

There was just water in the system. That's why the radiator blew. The mixture (since it was mostly water) heated up much faster and and expanded more than it should have. That's why the radiator blew...

[zenmasterzex]

no...... the radiator blew because there was a f..ing gaping hole in it!!!!!!

[zenmasterzex]

the fan was pushed into the radiator and put a 2 inch hole/dent in the radiator. besides water will not cause the radiator 2 blow. when i was poor i ran water in the rx7 in the summer and i never blew that radiator!

[Purple_94GT]

Originally posted by zenmasterzex
the fan was pushed into the radiator and put a 2 inch hole/dent in the radiator. besides water will not cause the radiator 2 blow. when i was poor i ran water in the rx7 in the summer and i never blew that radiator!

[Purple_94GT]

Originally posted by zenmasterzex
the fan was pushed into the radiator and put a 2 inch hole/dent in the radiator. besides water will not cause the radiator 2 blow. when i was poor i ran water in the rx7 in the summer and i never blew that radiator!

[Purple_94GT]

Originally posted by zenmasterzex
the fan was pushed into the radiator and put a 2 inch hole/dent in the radiator. besides water will not cause the radiator 2 blow. when i was poor i ran water in the rx7 in the summer and i never blew that radiator!

I'm going to have to agree with you on this one. Water actually does a better job of cooling, but does that whole freezing thing :tdown:, which is why we run antifreeze.

Edit: Damn slow Winterm computers at work are causing some repost action.

[zenmasterzex]

Originally posted by Purple_94GT
I'm going to have to agree with you on this one. Water actually does a better job of cooling, but does that whole freezing thing :tdown:, which is why we run antifreeze.

Edit: Damn slow Winterm computers at work are causing some repost action.

thank you! :tup:

[youngin]

update?!

[zenmasterzex]

just got it back yesterday and have been workin on it. turns out i have 2 bad plug wires and the timing was off 5 degrees! the shop fixed the timing and put in temporary plug wires that i must return when my czt im wires come in. other than that i just took it out and am slipping all the way into third!!!!! i just pulled up next to a wrx and gave him a go, he was fast, but i has faster (we took off of a roll from 30) i just need a fpr to keep from running too rich!!! I AM ADDICTED TO DA BOOST!!!!!

TORQUE STEER!!!!!!!!!!

[probespeed]

I'm still waiting for pics.................

the torque steer is fun isn't it :D

[zenmasterzex]

yep, pics coming soon. i think i need a smaller turbo, i dont really feel the boost until around 4500. i have a 60, 63 with a 60-1 spindel. what do you think?

[probespeed]

that's what I'm using and spool up is at about 3000

[youngin]

ok, im not quite sure, but is torque steer when it pulls so hard that you have to grab the wheel?

[zenmasterzex]

no, torque steer is when the car pulls so hard that it pulls the whole car over to one side. in our case the right side

[MN Probe GT]

you both just described the same thing...and that's what it is.

cuz open differentials are gay.

[zenmasterzex]

thats why quife lsd is on tha way in the near future!!!!

[MN Probe GT]

Originally posted by zenmasterzex
thats why quife lsd is on tha way in the near future!!!!

:drool:

Wanna pick one up for me too? :D

[zenmasterzex]

do i smell bulk buy?????

[wannabfast]

torque steer? whats that?
oh wait.. my car dont make enuff torque for that...

[jay]

/\ ditto.. since i broke my 2nd VRIS.. i dont have power and my CEL comes on after i hit 4200 RPM

[youngin]

how bout a quafie for my 1g too,

[Mazda_Power]

There are plans a brewing in the Turbo PGT world!

[andrewpgt]

are you going to turbo your ze now? and what ever happened to those pics I didn't see them? From the looks of it it has almost been a year and still no pics?

andrew

[Splat]

I think he got shipped...

I think he was trying to sell a bunch of his shit before he was deployed.

[zenmasterzex]

still deployed, kept most of everything. i have big plans for the pgt-t!!


-jeff

[Splat]

are there 2 t's?

;)

[Mazda_Power]

Probe GT-Turbo my friend. Him and I are hooking up his car this year/next.

It's just a Probe, right?

And no, he has everything. He's "building" and researching from over seas.

[andrewpgt]

any idea when he gets back?

andrew

[Splat]

dammit... had my hopes up. :(

[zenmasterzex]

i should be back around february 2006!

-jeff

[Splat]

ouch. :(

we'll be waitin' for ya!

[zenmasterzex]

thats ok, the engine will probably be getting built by mazda power (aaron) if he has time and his ze runs fine. not to mention i will probably let him play with my new czt manifold, 69 mm tb, and Megasquirt on his ze when it comes. (as a thank you)

-jeff

[zenmasterzex]

when it is all said and done, i will be gone about 1.5 years, and come home to the most powerful 2nd gen ptalk has seen (including matt maas!)

-jeff

[Splat]

did you actually get your czt manifold?

[zenmasterzex]

did you actually get your czt manifold?
not yet, i ordered the ze ported mani. adam (gforceauto) assures me that it is on the way soon. :rolleyes:

but until then i still have lots at home to keep me thinking. ze heads, snowperformance water/alchy inj. 5 gallons pure methanol :wtf: , and a N.O.S. wet nitrous system 75-125 shot 15lb bottle just to name a few!! :bd:

when i come home for good in 2006 i will have a complete engine build that should be able to handle 20-25 psi easily. i am shooting for the first 2nd gen to hit 500 bhp :eg: so i can show up at Mytle Madness 2006 in style!!

if you have any more questions feel free to ask!

-jeff

[andrewpgt]

what do you do for the military?

[Splat]

booyeah!!!

[zenmasterzex]

what do you do for the military?
infantry right now (11bravo), just doing patrols and guarding sensitive shit.
normally i am a 63bravo (hummer mechanic) for my unit in cloquet, near duluth.

just recently i had the pleasure of having breakfast with General Meyers (4 star general! the leader of the Joint Chiefs of Staff!) while he visited us.

-jeff

[Splat]

by "having breakfast" did you eat at the same table? same room? same city? or were you buttering his bread?

[zenmasterzex]

same room, they had a select few go, and i happened to be one of them! i even got a pic of me and him when he came over to talk to us.

-jeff

ps. i dont butter anyones bread but my wifes!!!! :D

[MN Probe GT]

do you get a select fire ar-15?

[zenmasterzex]

yep, 3 round burst baby!!! i also got a 9mm beretta, a full auto 5.56 m249 (saw), 240bravo 7.62 full auto, 50 caliber full auto mounted to a uparmored hummer, and a Mk19 (fully automatic grenade launcher with 1.5 mile range!!!

-jeff

[Splat]

fully auto gren launcher?

hmmmm, I think i found my new career path...

[andrewpgt]

ya, I got to play with the M2 .50 cal mechine gun, MK19 now thats a toy. we have two of them in my unit. we don't have the 240bravo's yet. still tring to get them for the uh-60's. I like playing with that stuff. my other toy is really fun :lol: Back at the end of Jan. I got to me the command sergant major of the Army when he was in town. A buddy of mine was his crew cheif on the blackhawk. The CSM went up to Duluth for a speech and road up there on Army Air :lol: :thup: A very nice guy.

andrew

[zenmasterzex]

what unit are you in? 2-146 infantry out of mankato? if so, ask around, that unit was in my exact same spot a few years ago!!!

-jeff

[Splat]

nah, he dicks around with choppers (helicopters, not motorcycles) in st. paul.

[andrewpgt]

ya, my unit is 2-147th GASB or general aviation support batllion, soon to be the 2-147th air assult. I love that word (AIR ASSULT) HAHAHAHA

[naustin]

A. Z. D. P. And that's the truth baby.

[Mazda_Power]

I'm reading up on Megasquirt right now. I think you should go with Megasquirt II and run FORD EDIS and a Thunderbird/Mustang Coil Pack.

Here's the info on that part: http://www.megasquirt.info/ms2/