RR Racing STS

[Aaron3969]

Ive had my RR STS for about a year now and have been very happy with it, until now... I was driving today, shifted, and the fucker SNAPPED IN HALF. Yeah, thats right, in HALF! Im so pissed righ tnow. I wrote Rafi a nasty letter in attempt to get a new one. A $120 piece of "aircraft grade" aluminum shouldnt snap in half after a year of use. I was driving normal at the time it snapped too, not racing around like an idiot. :Pissed:

[GTcruiser33]

damn man, that sounds like some inferior quality, i would bitch too, remind me when i get one not to get the RR. what are you gonna do in the mean time??

-Erich

[cyberboom]

where did it snap at... depending on where you might just go and get it fixed.. aluminum is kinda hard to weld but its better then spending another $120. when you weld sumthing the weld is actually stronger then the regular product. if you live anywhere around south jersey i could prob fix it for ya

[Splat]

Just have Ben weld you a "Probespeed STS"!
:D

[Aaron3969]

Originally posted by Splat
Just have Ben weld you a "Probespeed STS"!
:D

I might do that. Its currently JB Welding in my car. ;) Otherwise Ill buy a Civic STS off Ebay if Rafi doesnt replace mine.

[Splat]

I would hope that Rafi would, i've never had anything other then great customer service from rr-racing.

[Aaron3969]

Ive had some bad with him. He forgot to send my clutch out when I bought it, then he said he was gonna throw in a free SS clutch line for forgetting, didnt do that, hounded him for that, finally got it a while later. When I bought the STS, i bought the boot and bushings, the bushings werent ready to send, so Id have them in 2 weeks. Yeah, try 4 months. I had to email him about 5 times for the bushings until he finally sent me some. Hes got terrible customer service.

[Splat]

wow, that sucks.

[probespeed]

Aluminum is usually weaker after you weld it ;)

Shoulda just bought my sts :D

[Aaron3969]

You know thats gonna happen. ;)

[cyberboom]

Originally posted by probespeed
Aluminum is usually weaker after you weld it ;)


heh no its not.....

[Splat]

he heh..

YES IT IS.

[probespeed]

Heh yes it is ;)


Do you know who you're talkin too :lol:

[MN Probe GT]

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

[JunickJr8]

:lol: Kirk...

Play nice kiddies ;)

[wannabfast]

aluminum is usually bricks that are machined, or drop forged..

theres a reason for that... once piece is stronger than 2..

[cyberboom]

but the weld its self is stronger then the object that your welding.. obviously it can only be stronger if your useing the same or better grader of aluminum.... the weld strength is wut i was referring to. now the object usually breaks right next to the weld because of the fact that that is not the weakest point.. and no probspeed or kirk or wutever your name is who am i talkin too..???

[jay]

ben (probespeed) works putting firetrucks together... i believe im sure he does alot of welding... i wouldnt question his authority on welding :shrug: hes in the same line of work that my good buddy does in Crooks, SD.

[Splat]

Yeah, he welds all the time, and works with aluminum all the time.

i.e. everyday.

[probespeed]

If you weld that shifter back together it will break very soon. That's all there is too it.

[cyberboom]

yea all i do is weld to... i do stanless alum and steel. where i work we mainly make like wine tanks to brew there goods in but we make a lot of custom fab stuff too.... we made a lot of alum display tables and stuff for verison.... if i can i will get some pics

[StealthMode]

I have had my rr racing STS for almost 2 years and no probs. Got the bushings and boot to. :)

[probespeed]

Display tables will hold up fine. But when you weld alum you create a weak spot where the weld and the material meet. In high stress situations it will break.

I see it every day. And I fix stuff like that every day because people don't understand that it will just break again :no: and instead of buying a new part they pay over and over again to get it rewelded. :shrug:

[Purple_94GT]

Originally posted by cyberboom
... aluminum is kinda hard to weld but its better then spending another $120. when you weld sumthing the weld is actually stronger then the regular product ...
Originally posted by probespeed
Aluminum is usually weaker after you weld it ;)...
Originally posted by cyberboom
heh no its not.....
Originally posted by Splat
he heh..

YES IT IS.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by probespeed
Heh yes it is ;)
Depends on the alloy or high treatment of the base metal (aluminum, steel, stainless, titanium, etc. - applies to all)


Originally posted by probespeed
...Do you know who you're talkin too :lol:
Originally posted by MN Probe GT
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
You've got to laugh at that. :lol: I don't care who you are, that's funny.

Originally posted by wannabfast
aluminum is usually bricks that are machined, or drop forged..

theres a reason for that... once piece is stronger than 2..

Not necessarily true. Properly welded, two pieces of aluminum could be welded together, heat solution treated and finished machined with no one being the wiser. However, because aluminum is relatively cheap compared to the extra process steps it is commonly used to make billet (brick) parts. It is also very mallable (stampable, forgable) at elevated temperatures making is good for forged parts.

Originally posted by cyberboom
but the weld its self is stronger then the object that your welding.. obviously it can only be stronger if your useing the same or better grader of aluminum.... the weld strength is wut i was referring to. now the object usually breaks right next to the weld because of the fact that that is not the weakest point.. and no probspeed or kirk or wutever your name is who am i talkin too..???
Getting warmer

Originally posted by probespeed
If you weld that shifter back together it will break very soon. That's all there is too it.
More than likely

Originally posted by Splat
Yeah, he welds all the time, and works with aluminum all the time.

i.e. everyday.
Originally posted by jay
ben (probespeed) works putting firetrucks together... i believe im sure he does alot of welding... i wouldnt question his authority on welding :shrug: hes in the same line of work that my good buddy does in Crooks, SD.
Originally posted by cyberboom
yea all i do is weld to... i do stanless alum and steel. where i work we mainly make like wine tanks to brew there goods in but we make a lot of custom fab stuff too.... we made a lot of alum display tables and stuff for verison.... if i can i will get some pics
Here's a crash course in materials for the welders out there and anyone who cares, or simply wants to sound like they know what’s going on next time someone is talking about welding.

The strength of a welded part depends on the alloy (elements that make of the final metal) or heat treatment of the base metal. The alloying elements (carbon, chrome, zinc, nickel, etc.) determine many aspects of the final product such as corrosion resistance, ,hardenability, machinability, malleability, weldability, etc. The heat treatment specifies what was done to the part to give it the desired properties. Often times a metal, such as 6061-T6 aluminum that the RR Racing STS is made from, is heated to an elevated temperature (above the recrystallization temperature), maintained at the temperature for a given time (depends on the alloy), and then quenched to lock in the grain structure. The grain structure is what makes the final material stronger.

When welding on a heat treated part the weld and the area around it are melted to fuse the two pieces together (I bet you knew this already). This area is known as the heat affected zone (HAZ). If the part is quenched right after it has been welded the areas that were above the recrystallization temperature will lock in a grain structure very similar to the base metal. This can also happen with certain alloys that are very easily hardened (air quenchable). However the outer surrounding areas that were not above the recrystallization temperature do not have the same grain structure as the base metal, but have been allowed to experience grain growth. This is why when cyberboom said “now the object usually breaks right next to the weld because of the fact that that is not the weakest point” he was right. When probespeed said “If you weld that shifter back together it will break very soon. That's all there is too it.” he was right. Some of this mechanical engineering stuff actually pays off.

Lucas

[probespeed]

i.e. It will break because of the cooling that happens around the weld will make it weaker :shrug:

I should have said that a long time ago :shrug:

[cyberboom]

well thanks bill nye the science guy....jk

[Splat]

I prefer Beakman's world.

[Purple_94GT]

Originally posted by cyberboom
well thanks bill nye the science guy....jk
Originally posted by Splat
I prefer Beakman's world.

I used to watch both, if that tells you anything. :D

The reason I went into so much depth is because I'm so sick of seeing so many otherwise useful threads get flushed down the crapper. I'm not talking about this board as much as probetalk because we all know what this board is for (much more closely knit community with more blather than info). I just get so sick is reading a good thread that is all of a sudden hijacked by someone who doesn't know whats going on and cannot back up a single thing they've said.

Lucas

[jay]

beakman's world is awesome....







oops i hijacked the thread... my bad. :D
















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